Hour-long interview broadcast on June 9th, 2013 with a repeat on June 16th. Oprah sits down with Karen Armstrong—a former Roman Catholic nun and a world-renowned religious scholar—to discuss her memoir The Spiral Staircase. Karen reveals deep personal struggles that ultimately became steppingstones in her spiritual journey. Karen Amstrong says, "God is what takes us continually beyond what we see and know, takes us beyond ourselves. God is the life force, the divine life force in every other living creature, in people and in animals."